Rule #1: Never let anyone take you anywhere for a punt. EVER!

Part 1 here: http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D3

Part 2: After a really unusual punting experience with BBS I set out to find a nice bar to hang out and relax. I was on my way and walking about when I heard a small voice speaking English behind me. I finally turned around to find a nice looking business woman trying to get my attention. I slowed down and she asked if I was lost. I explained I was looking for a nice bar and hoped she could point me in the right direction. She said she would take me if I wished. I asked why she would do such a thing with a stranger and she explained she wanted to improve her English as she was working in translation. I was a bit confused since a woman that seemed to be a professional would be asking to show me about.  She was very well spoken and intelligent as if she had been educated overseas so I figured she was genuine.

We hopped in a taxi and in the back of my head I started to think about rule #1 which is NEVER let anyone take you anywhere. In my past experience the only people who ever asked to take me to find girls were shady looking pimps and a shady looking pimp she was not. Not until she pulled out those business card with naked pictures of American movie stars that I could hire for sex in China. I asked her if she was taking me to some place where I couldn't leave unless I paid a lot of money. She said we could go to a KTV and it is safe. I was suspicious but she explained she needed this work to help with her classes.

We arrived at the bar which was not too far from my hotel - only a 20 RMB cab ride so I figure I could walk back if I needed to. In we went and I could hear thumping sound systems so I relaxed a little as it looked and sounded legit. We sat in a nice room with the Karaoke system and all and another girl/mamasan came in and asked me what kind of drink I would like. Beer of course. The professional business lady sat with me as I overlooked the selection of beauties the mamasan brought in. I picked one, my beer arrived and the girl began to give me a massage. Soon she rolled me over and the mamasan appeared and explained the rates. She was also very well spoken and likely overseas educated as well. This put my mind at ease and I began not to fear any extortion.

The massage eventual eventually evolved into sex much like my BBS experience except the fully clothed girls added a bit of HJ before squatting on your johnson in some weird CG bounce.  I fucked two girls and paid a reasonable 200 RMB and 500HKD which seemed to match the cost, sex quality and experience of my previous BBS punt. Nothing seemed out of line. As the last girl was finishing cleaning up I took a picture of the room and she saw me. She bolted. Really fast.

I got dressed and figure I had a beer tab. As I gathered my jacket some big dood came and sat next to me and asked if I had paid.

Uh Oh…

I said I had and then it happened. In came a big girl who was actually quite hot and an ugly Nepalese goon. (Goon is not a derogatory racial term - it refers to unintelligent muscle men who worked for people like Al Capone). The big hot chick threw down a bill on the table and before I could even respond she began to yell at me about how I was going to pay it. Well I began to yell as well when I saw that I was expected to pa 59,000 RMB!  Yes, 59K RMB for a room and one beer. If I was there all night drinking and dancing with 8 girls and buying dozens drinks I could understand that level of extortion. If they were going to extort one guy and one beer that seemed a bit excessive. 18000 RMB would seem like a more reasonable amount to extort.

I told them that amount was crazy and before I could even say I wouldn't pay it the goon approached me and punched my shoulder. They sort of figured there would be a shouting match and that they might as well start it to save time ramping up to it later.

I realized that I had to get out alive first and I panicked for about 30 seconds. Not because of them but because of the shit that would happen to me at home when I would have to explain to my lovely wife why I lost $74,000 HKD fucking a couple of lame fully clothed hookers in Shanghai.

I told them I did not have the money. I really didn't and here is why. Now when I'm in an unfamiliar place, especially when I expect to go out to the bars or houses of ill repute I usually take some precautions. When I left the hotel I only took my room keycard, 300 RMB, 500 HKD and one credit card. I figured if I got killed, the credit card was good enough for them to ID me and by only bringing a small amount of cash I couldn't do anything stupid. Well I did do something stupid anyway and my precautions were crucial.

Back to the issue at hand. After informing them that I couldn't pay that money because I didn't have it, they went nuts. The big hot chick was screaming at me the big Chinese dood sitting next to me was screaming at me to pay and the goon rolled up his sleeves.

I stayed calm and explained that would not and could not pay. The goon came over and punched me a few more times. He pulled his punches. He could have clobbered me but he didn't. It was only to scare me. The big other guy did the same thing as the chick screamed at me.  It was almost comical and they really had no anger in their eyes. These punches hurt but I knew they would cause no harm and that was my realization of how this might end.

We simply went backhand forth about how I would not pay and they said I used their services and had to pay. After 10-15 minutes of this the chick and goon left. the big guy stared and me and punched my arm a few times and kept saying 59000. I almost started laughing. That mad him angry and he slapped my glasses off my face, spilled the beer can and began to punch me. when he finished I sat up, put my glasses back on, picked up the beer and began to refresh myself. It was still cold. I told he we could do this all night so he better beat me up or cut me because I would not pay. My calmness really confused this guy.

Finally another small guy comes in and sends the big dood away. He says perhaps we can work this out and offers to drop the extortion to 20,000 RMB. I said no. He asked what I though I should pay. I said 300 RMB and explained that I could get a much nicer hotel room, with a bigger TV for all night and several beers for that amount and that his filthy room with no bathroom wasn't worth nearly that much. We went back and forth and he screamed that it was back to 59,000. Whatever…

He left and the goon and big dood came back in. The grabbed my jacked and searched it and went through all my pockets. The goon found my phone and and began furiously poking at the screen truing to do something and the big guy grabbed a glass and threatened me with it and punched me a few more times. When he was done I picked up my jacket, put it on, gathered my phone and put it in my pocket and had another drink of delicious beer. The didn't find the credit card and they found 100 HKD and 40 RMB which was to be my taxi fare. I had nothing. I had no wallet, no ID, no addresses, nothing. I told them I could go all night.

The small guy returned and was angry. I had to pay. I said no and he threatened to call the police at which point I told to hurry up and do that as it was getting late. He yelled and I remained calm and drank my beer and leaned back to relax. I put my hand on the big guy next to me like a friend and said if you're going to kill me or leave me a bloody mess you better get started. The other guy then said I don't want to mess with the Chinese mafia and that he would hurt my family. I simply told him he could never find my family. He left and he screamed "pay pay pay" and actually climbed on top of me, held me down with his knee and delivered another dozen of those softball punches.

It was pretty clear to me that hay had nothing. If they really hurt me, a western man in China on legit business, it could have some repercussions from both the police and the Chinese mafia. It would weaken the mafia's prostitution and extortion action if this made the news and of course the government would not want anything that could damage business with the west by frightening people away. All I had to do was wait this out.

They little guy came back and searched my and found the credit card. He asked how much I would pay. I said 2000 RMD. He laughed. He said he had my card and could run it up all the way to 59,000. I said there wasn't enough money to cover it and it would be recalled. I told him he could run 2000 on the card and no more. He gave me my card and left. I finished my beer.

He finally came back and said come with me. I was finally really apprehensive and scared. we went into this room with about 15 big mean looking doods both Chinese and Nepalese. The little guy took my card and plugged it into a credit card payment machine. How stupid is that? There is a record of this transaction. I suppose the way this would work is that they would threaten to expose my activities to my family and that would be enough for me to say nothing.   

Amazingly he only entered 2000 RMB.  I figured he could put the 59k though if he wanted but the machine came back and declined the 2000.  I had no idea that would happen. He re-entered 1000 and it took. What great luck. I could easily explain 1000 RMB to wifey. They all became very nice and sent me on my way and walked me down to the street for a taxi.

I'm still a little sore from the punches but no serious damage and the satisfaction that they could not extra me. I had two punts with two cute girls, a car of beer and it only cost me 1200RMB and 500 HKD. Not really out of line for two fucks in a KTV.

Holy shit that is quite the tale.  You did well to keep all your extra cash/cards/ID back at the hotel.  That original mistake of going with her was a doosey of a mistake alright, but I can see how it happened.   

Lucky you escaped with as little damage as you did.  People DO get killed and vanish from time to time in China.

while you certainly broke a golden rule ...

... rules are made to be broken!!!

you were very well prepared, with no ID, and nothing valuable - and when you prepare so well you can afford to take a bigger risk.

Yikes im suprised they actually punched you even if it wasnt full strength.  I fell for the same trick a while back ago.   Lost more than you although they never even outright threatened violence.  Is it possible these scams are fooling less and less people and people are more reluctant to part with their money that they have to step it up a level.  Ive had at least 3 other friends fall for the same trick but they never Iaid a hand on us.

I recall, there was another similar case, also happened to a bro in Shanghai.
But good thing, everything turned out ok for you.



Careful when punting alone in unfamiliar territory.

Can you recall where this place is? Name, road address, landmarks nearby etc... You should have some idea at least of its general location since it is near your hotel and from your journey back afterwards. Useful for bros to know to avoid this black shop!

This is a great story..

The 'act calm so that you look crazy' thing always seems to work on people. This one time I remember driving in the states in a very very bad neighborhood and I hit a car from behind as it was dark at night and there were no street lights.

I was stupid enough to walk out of the car to check it and then out came 4 African Americans with a gun in their hand.

Thought I was going to die so I did the 'act calm so that you look crazy' thing where every threat they threw at me I just looked at them and smiled. Sometimes giggled. But never said a word.

It worked and the men just told me to "go away and get the f*ck out of here".

Hahaha love it!

In retrospect I should have done two things. First as soon as I got my phone back I should have turned on the GPS app I have and started the tracking mode. Second, I should have turned on the audio recording app.

Live and learn is certainly the thought for the day.

I don't really get this. You have almost 2500 karma so clearly you are no noob. However, you totally went off road with the official rulebook. It's really a good reminder to all of us, don't get too complacent!

Shit can happen anytime even in places that you feel safe or that were formerly safe.....so no reason for us to make it worse by throwing caution to the wind.

One guy was about my height (6 ft) and the Nepalese guy was a little shorter. They were each built about as wide as a full sized refrigerator. They certainly had the potential to cause significant damage. I had no physical advantages or marshall arts resources, only the knowledge that I knew their game and knew there was no real advantage to them to hurt me. That doesn't mean that I was safe, only that the odds were on my side and they had no real way to get to my money.


80% of my punting has occurred in relatively safe areas of HK and Thailand over the last 2 years. I'm still a noob in the punting world elsewhere. I am, however, well traveled and the take the rule #2 precautions I have described below no matter what I'm doing if I'm in unknown territory. Those precautions, as well as my wits, have served me we'll in the past and as you can see by my recent adventure.

What happened was that I was swindled by a really good pro to get me into the bar. I never would have gone with anyone else. The girl was perfect and even though I was suspicious, she knew that and gave me every reason not to be afraid. This should be a LESSON TO US ALL to never break that rule no matter how safe it seems.

Rule #1 - NEVER go anywhere alone with anyone you don't know, to anyplace you don't know. This applies to travelling in general but especially when in unknown areas and always while punting or gambling.

I did NOT break rule #2 (in my book) which completely saved my ass.

Rule #2 - NEVER take anything with you that you cannot afford to lose. Also applies when in unknown areas or punting or gambling but also when partying under conditions that might involve heavy drinking or other stupid inebriates.

[ Last edited by  dooper at 30-3-2013 10:00 ]

This reminds me of a situation I encountered in Beijing about 10 years ago.

I, like our OP, was also enticed by a cute looking your hottie from the street to follow her to a bar in the back streets of Sanlitun (Sp).  We ended up in a KTV, and to cut a long story short I was hit with a bill at the end for 50,000RMB!  The services provided for said bill were exactly two x Tsing Tao beers and a peck on the cheek.

When I refused to pay the bill I was immediately surrounded by four goons and the aforementioned hottie and threatened with everything ranging from beheading, slitting my throat and to death.  They checked out my wallet, grabbed the 1000RMB that was in it and threw it and the money to the ground. I was punched, kicked, pushed and threatened like you wouldn't believe.  I was also stopped from leaving the joint by another goon at the door blocking my way.

Like the OP, I kept my cool as much as I could.   But I also had an ace up my sleeve.   20 years martial arts training had to mean something, and now was the time.   Without making a big thing of it here, I demolished them.   The four goons and broad had little chance, and to be quite honest turned out to be more bark than bite in the end.  There was a bit of blood and a few teeth knocked out on their side, and I lost a shirt.  The "lady" unfortunately was hurt most in the melee, something I feel bad about even today.  However some would call it Karma!

I learnt one lesson that night. Despite my self protection skills, i will NEVER GO WITH A TOUT AGAIN!   Things turned out OK for me - I was lucky, but I have heard it going to shit for so many others.   Lesson learnt.

TKM

Postscript:  A few days later a work colleague of mine who knew about my little adventure, pointed out an article in the China Daily.  The article was saying that an underground KTV nightclub in Sanlitun was raided by Chinese Mafia and the staff were assaulted and beaten by unknown assailants in the past week.   My friend and me wondered if I was the culprit:-)

I was in Shanghai several years ago and was approached many times by attractive young girls who professed to be
'students' who wanted a conversation to improve their English.The scam then was they would invite you
to a friends tea room for a 'traditional tea ceremony'  and of course the same extortion scenario would take place.
Fortunately for me I had done my research in advance and avoided falling into this trap.
My Tip before going to somewhere new read local Expats  blogs.I have to thank ShanghaiExpats for saving my arse.
'You dodged the bullet Dooper' Well done.

Greypath.----[ see you in HK in July]

What if you invite them back to your hotel? Did anyone ever thought of that?

At what point did bait-girl (aka "professional business lady") exit the scene?

I think your strategy of staying calm and non-confrontational may also do more than just befuddle the bad guys.  Perhaps if you actually hit back it then gives them the right to start swinging in earnest.  

Anyway, great story and a lesson to us all.  Glad you're here to tell the tale!

She stuck around until I had picked my first girl. She kept encouraging me to pick one and even told me my first choice was on the rag. I later wondered why they even brought in a girl on her period.

Yes I would like to know where this place is too.  No reply yet for OP....any pictures of place.....Which hotel did you stayed at.....

[ Last edited by  Weelock at 6-6-2013 15:52 ]

I tried to make a note of the route back but it I think the taxi took a longer route to raise the fare. I paid about 25 for the trip there and 60 back on the meters. I didn't much care about the higher fare at the time since I was sofa-king grateful to be alive and with an intact bank account. I'm really sorry guys but I could never tell you where it was. I just didn't think about turning on the GPS tracker in my phone. I was too freaked.

My hotel was in a pretty respectable district. I had to walk about 20 min north to find the street with the barbershop girls. (http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... ighlight=%2Bdooper)

This was the hotel:
The Golden Tulip Ashar Suites, Shanghai Jing'an District No. 288 North Shaanxi Road  上海爱莎金煦全套房酒店    上海静安区陕西北路288号