Has anyone ever thought about the virtues of mongering?

Admittedly in some countries prostitution supports gangs and human trafficking and drugs, but that seems to be much lesser of a case in HK.

Instead, the system acts to redistribute money from the rich to the needy. Those few hundred bucks are sent home to feed wg's hungry old parents and send their young siblings to school!

Young siblings, parents? , almost universally WGs I've known are stunningly wealthy, when they let you in and you say excuse me a moment and then talk to their brokers on the phone and say something like Sam Sup hmm man 35x10,000$ koo (shares). you know they have some serious wedge of cash.


Its probably more in reverse ! comparatively poorly paid people go to highly paid workers to give them even more money!

Don't kid yourself bro; there's no virtue in mongering. It's just the way of the world - we, the rich,
are using the poor for our own selfish gratification. The best we can do is to try not to hurt anyone
too much along the way. And, outside of mongering, try to live a good life and hope that whatever
god there is, forgives us. And, if not, I'll see you in Hell.

I completely agree with my man pissser. We are taking advantage of poor girls for our own selfish needs. To whoever says otherwise or trying to justify what we do is righteous and for the good of the girl is just bullshitting themselves and needs to get their head checked out. If you asked 100 girls would they do this if there is other ways to make money, probably 99 will say they will never do this job. There is no virtue in mongering period. prostitution is always and will always be linked to organized crime.

In terms of wealth transfer, mongering seems to transfer more dollars per/day (or whatever time unit) than any other alternative available to the typical impoverished economy.  In other words, a girl can make more hooking than sewing shoes for Nike.  

Now does that wealth transfer more than make up for the social impacts?  Added health costs, etc.  

I wouldn't be surprised if the answers were different when you look at it from an individual versus a society perspective.  In a developing economy the individual is going to bear the brunt of the negative impacts (health risks, pregnancy, family impacts, etc.) I would guess.  However the "imported" capital from mongering could be making a significant contribution to a country's remittance totals.

Again, just looking at the monetary side of the question, this is a classic economic disconnect: something that may sound good to a macro economist ('free trade' for example) actually has an enormous individual cost.  Hooking may fit that example very well: it can 'import' lots of money to entire cities (Pattaya, or AC or even HK) giving a boost to a specific locality, while being very detrimental to the individuals involved (health risk, penalization, social ostracizing).

How different would this trade-off be than say, some sort of toxic business?  Like metal smelting in India where pollution is common and workers wear open toed sandals next to the smelters?  Obviously there's not an ethical or social ostracizing component to the penalties a worker bears, but there's still the severe and immediate health risks but this time without any higher remuneration.  The local economy gets the business, bears the environmental costs and the individuals are just as expendable.  There's probably similar examples in toxic metal recycling in China too.

virtues and mongering? I think that's an oxymoron?

no question that some good can come out of it, financial benefit for the WG and satisfaction to the mongerer, but virtue? not sure about that...

the girl usually always end up in this situation without alternative options..
sometimes does anyone feel bad of fucking this girl during the act? i wander.

No, I NEVER feel bad, I always feel good and enjoy. why?

Because I am a nice guy, I always treat the WG with respect, I am always friendly, I am never rough, never rude or aggressive. I have seen girls go off with some rough and aggressive guys sometimes... therefore I figure that although the WG would most likely not have sex with me unless money involved, I am certainly not going to be the "worst" experience they ever had.

In some cases I have become friends with some of the girls I like, those that seem to really genuinely like me also. So my rational is, I am definately NOT virtuous, but having sex with me is not the "end of the world" either.

Most of the WGs that I've known in the U.S. are very clearly at choice in their chosen profession.  That's not to say that they could make as much money doing something else, but they weren't coerced into hooking by economics.  I'd venture to guess that wouldn't be true with streetwalkers in the U.S., but I've no experience there.

In a much poorer country it may be true that the "usually always" is "without alternative options" but I'd be cautious about saying that without some sort of direct evidence.  The cost of living is so low in the emerging economies that it doesn't take much of a job to make ends meet.

gangster,

vir⋅tue
1.         moral excellence; goodness; righteousness.

i believe, there is goodness in mongering

let it be

sorry but I have to point out you've got that backwards bro ... if you look under the surface, going beyond the Political Correctness that has been deviously and deliberately created as a smoke-screen to hide the real issue ... actually the punters are the victims.  

Victims of the cynical motives of a few fortunately endowed girls who have been blessed by good luck in their outward appearance, who heartlessly exploit a weakness they've noticed in a group of vulnerable financially successful men.  They take them for everything they can, their money, their time, and their attention (if they can) and then discard them at the slightest sign of weakness, swapping them out for the next highest bidder without regard to their feelings or needs.  

Looks like you've been seduced by their siren song!!

you're taking a (dangerously) superficial view there bro ...

although technically correct - prostitution definitely does attract organised crime, pretty much any and everywhere it can be found - it's not a causal effect.  Prostitution does not exist BECAUSE OF organised crime.  It exists because there's a supply and there's a demand.  

Organised crime is interested in prostitution for precisely the same reason that the suppliers are interested: it has the potential to make a lot of money from a very little effort and time.  
The reality is that ALL activity that is illegal and lucrative is linked to organized crime.  Always, everywhere.  Under Prohibition it was alcohol.  In Hong Kong today it's gambling.  etc. etc.  Heck some of the most lucrative criminal schemes are things like tax fraud and protection (don't get me started on that one ...).  The link between crime and sex is incidental, and the crime is in no way a given result of prostitution per se.  

I'm probably going to get flamed by the moral brigade here, or treated as a joke, but it is important to get clear on who's doing what and why.  No I'm not saying there isn't rampant abuse, which is despicable and should be eliminated by any and all means possible, there is.  

And the best thing we can do as customers is be hyper-sensitive to any sign of coercion or unwillingness on the girl's part, and walk away if we get a sense she's not making a free choice of her own will.  

But - contrasting to your view - far more girls make a willing and active choice to exchange sexual favours for money than you're giving credit to.  

AND ... seriously ... if YOUR experience is that most of the girls you're visiting are the victims of emotional or physical coercion, you would be well advised to take a long hard look at what you are doing and how you're setting about it.

I have to agree with DArtagnan  that it is the men with the money whom are the victims, but the only people they have to blame are themselfs. Yes the girls take your money but you are the one walking up to the door to hand over your cash.

you have a good or bad time you still hand over the $'s but through choice.  

just my 2cts

We are building a global community via the spread of resources.  One may consider such exchange of fee for service a type of international commerce.  Certainly there's great comradere among mongers.  Mongering may even one day engender world peace.  So, I'm all for legal prostitution.  In the words of late comedian George Carlin, "buying is legal; fucking is legal.  Then why isn't buying fucking legal?"

I'll present a contrarian position, although I instinctively sympathize with the view that we (the mongers) are exploiters.

Let me rephrase that - I do NOT believe that I do anyone any favours by mongering, nor that there is any virtue in it.

Hpwever, there is a school of thought that believes that legalizing prostitution lowers the incidence of rapes in societies. Here's one data driven research paper:

Prostitution and Sex Crimes

I am quoting parts of this study to save you time:


This is the author's analytical framework:


These are his conclusions:



To be fair, the author does note that:



Other have argued that legalizing prostitution would result in fairer deals for prostitutes and also reduce child prostitution.


I think, overall, while one cannot really 'defend' mongering, one can support legalizing prostitution.  It's going to happen anyway; and look what happened in the 20s in the US when they banned drinking (the prohibition era that resulted in a flourishing illegal alcohol industry, gave a huge fillip to the mafia, and increased violent crime).

It's called capitalism, and to the extent that we are forced/choose to exchange some part of ourselves - our time, labor, beauty, intelligence - for monetary compensation, we're all whores. The only difference is that some forms of prostitution are more respected than others.

I agree with this. I never got into mongering much, and now I have (I telll myself) completely quit. The logic of you write above is one big part of my reason.

But how would you answer if someone countered with "well, OK, so any time I pay a poorer person to cut my hair / wash my car / clean my house, I'm using the poor for my own selfish gratification, right?" In other words, how is paying for sex morally different from paying for other personal services? I don't claim to know the answer.

Do you think customers can identify that? Do you think they want to identify that? And if your country exploits the rural poor (many countries, including China and Thailand), the system you were born in refuses to give you any education or economic opportunity, and therefore it's in your best economic interest to do a job you find immoral/disgusting in order to pay off your family's gambling debts or whatever -- are you being coerced?

Moral decisions are not so easy.

This is an idiotic misuse of statistical correlation. It makes about as much sense as saying that introducing Sunni Islam gives a country massive oil reserves.

By the way, that guy needs a basic course in criminology/psychology/whatever: rape is primarily a crime of violence, not (primarily) a form of sexual gratification.

That's for everyone and his conscience to decide. But, ask yourself one question - would you be happy
if your daughter took a Summer job as a prostitute, as opposed to, say, waiting tables in a restaurant?