Bros,

Having spent a good few months experiencing the HG scene in HK, I think it's now time to broaden my horizons and hit up Macau. Having read the guides, reports, etc., it does seem like a monger's paradise and I'm very much looking forward to it.

I have my eyes set on saunas and KTV's, but more on that later. I did my homework and searched through the forum for all the guides and reports and read through many of them, but am still left with many questions, hence the reason for this thread. The problems I encountered and while researching Macau and my reasons for  posting this thread are as follows, :

- The guides (e.g. the excellent one provided by bro Chickenchoppa), while very informative and useful, are somewhat outdated. I think the chances are high that the various info provided, e.g. the pricing, etc. are outdated.

- Reports, while plentiful, informative, and appreciated, do not provide a consolidated picture of what's on offer in Macau. For example, bro Geoduck recently posted a thread about how the Rio has gone downhill lately. bro Jckjnr replied and said that it's not just the Rio, but East, 18, and D1, etc. have all gone downhill. I've also seen some reports with opinions contrary to that. I realize that this may be subjective and different bros may have different preferences and opinions, but is there a general consensus about which saunas/KTV's are consistently top ranked?

- While reports might be more useful for bros who've punted in Macau before and are just looking for the latest scoop, I've never punted in Macau before

- I realize that there are a good number of threads on Macau already, but I have some questions that are quite specific and I don't wish to hijack another thread


So here are the questions that I have:

- From what I've been able to gather from the reports, so far, I have on my list the following saunas: D1, East, Sanado, and 18. Are these establishments worth visiting and consistently good as of now? How do they compare to each other? Looks is most important to me, very closely followed by service. I'm not too concerned about the range of girls on offer. Would any bros be able to make a recommendation based on my preferences?

- How do the quality of girls at both saunas and KTV's compare to HK HG's in terms of looks? Have seen some real pics of girls in Macau reports but not nearly as many as in HK HG reports, so I don't feel like I can make an informed judgment on this

- For saunas, is it advisable for a newbie to make a first visit on his own? I'm really a closet punter: I punt solo in HK, and I don't have any punting buddies except for one and he lives in New York and only comes back to HK to visit once a year. Besides, he has a GF now and although I can probably make him go punting with me with enough persuasion, I'd feel like an asshole in doing so. Currently I have no punting buddies in HK since most of them have SO's or are just not into this kind of thing

- From my understanding from reading the various guides and reports, at saunas, you pay a fixed fee for usage of the facilities, and then you pay an extra fee for the girl, and this fee varies depending on the quality of the girl. Am I right? Please correct me if I'm wrong

- Have seen some comments by bros who claim that Macau isn't what it used to be and that China's a much better place for punting overall (i.e. in terms of pricing, quality of girls, skill/service on offer, etc.). Is that so? Would bros more knowledgeable about Macau say that it's still worth visiting? Or would my time and money be better spent in China?

- The Macau 141 site (http://mo.nightlife141.com/en/) has some info on various saunas, along with pics of the girls at each sauna advertised. Are these pics also photoshopped like the HK HG pics? How reliable and accurate are they?

- Although a lack of punting buddies would most likely rule out the possibility of a KTV visit, I'm interested as to how the girls at KTV's compare with sauna girls. From my understanding, sauna girls are better trained and typically more skilled, but KTV girls are often better looking and provide more of a GFE. In terms of looks, how would they compare? Or do you get equally good looking ones at both types of establishments?


Sorry if any bros find my questions too basic and fundamental, but please keep in mind that I've never punted in China and Macau before, so as much as I've tried getting as much info as I could from the guides and reports, it's still all a bit overwhelming. Thanks for bearing with me, and hope to get some answers from more knowledgeable bros.

[ Last edited by  barney.winkel at 5-9-2010 21:43 ]

Wow so many questions from a Macau newbie. Here are my answers to your questions and hopefully provide a comprehensive answer to them.


Each establishment have their own merits (which can be find here - http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/viewthread.php?tid=5452) - but have highlighted here:

18
- Largest sauna establishment in Macau
- Massive range of girls available

D1
- 90 minute sessions (with possible second shot if you can hit it off with the girl)
- Extensive range of PRC, Russian, Thai and Vietnamese WGs

East and Sanado
- Welcome shower and bbbj by wg
- Lounge show times that involves sexual acts on punters
- Interaction with the girls before sex session

For a newbie, I would try all to experience the Macau scene to get your favourite establishment.


You might find better quality of girls in Macau plus in greater quantity compared with HK HGs. There are a number of reasons behind the limited quantity of pics available but I won't go into them. One obvious answer is that sauna establishments look at these forums and may fine girls if they find their pics available on the forums. As a consequence, some bros might keep pics for their own private viewing. Remember you can't bring in a camera in a sauna as its obvious what you're doing unless its a small digital camera that you can hide amongst your personal items that you can put in a sauna bag.


Doesn't really matter if you hit the saunas with a group of guys or by yourself. Sometimes, its fun to go in a group but obviously there are hassles going in a big group (i.e. time, logistics, etc.).


If going to Macau from HK, you can purchase packages from the Shun Tak Centre for the sauna establishments (that will include ferry tickets) and vary in pricing depending on what service you want (i.e. massage, sex, etc.). If you want a sex package, the cost will be approximately HK$1.5K. The cheapest is Golden Sauna which is around HK$1.3K inclusive of ferry tickets. If you are a walk-in customer visiting the sauna in Macau then there is a minimum fixed charge for usage of the facilities which is approximately HK$300 or so. Also, if you are a walk-in customer and take a girl for a session then the price will be similar to the package price that you have purchased from HK minus the ferry tickets. Thus, its better to get your package from HK to get the ferry tickets inclusive of your purchase to save a few bucks.


If you haven't visited Macau before I would still recommend going for the sauna experience as its completely different environment from the punting scene in HK which is mainly HGs or walkups. Most bros that go to Macau are very experienced and feel service quality has gone down hill due to commercialisation. In addition, with brisk business with all the sauna establishments, they can get away with sloppy service as there's plenty of bros willing to give them business. I remember the start of the financial crisis a couple of years ago and visited a sauna in Macau where business was very slow, I was treated like a king by the wgs wanting to get my business.

Once you have experienced the Macau scene, you might feel different to what you have experienced in HK. In Macau, you are really going to a sauna to relax, maybe have a massage, have a bite and sex whilst its just sex in HK and that's it. So you probably have 45 minutes with a HK HG compared with a few hours in a Macau sauna. Remember that for a HK HG you're really going for the convenience.

Furthermore, When you have experienced the punting scene in China, you would probably feel the same about Macau plus its a lot cheaper to punt in China than Macau. For instance, you might spend HK$1.5K for an hour sex session for one shot in Macau compared with RMB800 for a two hour sex session with multiple shots and better service quality.


Pictures taken on the nightligfe141 for the Macau scene are not as heavily photoshopped compared with HK HG pics and are close to real life as possible.


Yes you are correct in your analysis between sauna and KTV girls. You might even find the sex experience in the saunas to be mechanical as the girls go through the usual procedures unless you hit it off with the girl for a more pleasure session. However, you may get wonderful gfe from a sauna girl which you may re-eat in the future. With KTV girls in Macau, they will give you more gfe to get your business as you can change your girl as many times as you want in your given KTV session. So girls in KTVs have to work harder to get punters for sex sessions.

In terms of girl quality, its all subjective but I've never had a problem in picking a girl

[ Last edited by  asia-play at 6-9-2010 00:06 ]

If you buy packages from HK, you don't have to pay for the taxes from Macau, right? The Macau taxes are like 15% or so?

I have found it much easier to find mcot girls in bigger Macau sauna lineups than from browsing HK HG ads. Especially 18 sauna never fails, famous for its big lineups.


Yes. I've always gone alone there. First visit alone was unnerving, but went fine. Someone will speak English and tell you what the procedure and prices are. You are ushered along a clear route from locker room to sauna area to lounge area. The places feel secure.


Definitely worth to visit, and more convenient than going to China alone. I tried that last weekend, and the time and money would have been much better spent in Macau. You'll need friends to go along with to China, who speak the language and know the ways. Plus the crackdowns and raids currently happening there would make it uncertain for you to find joints that are open.

Its all really very subjective. Looks, service, standards etc... My sentiments are purely based on my own limited experience of just over a year of punting in macau. This will obviously be very different from yours as a complete newbie to macau and to macau masters such as AP. Just go over and try out all the saunas, hotel girls, ktvs, racetrack - since you live in HK you can try a new one each week and let us know what you think!

I would call you a seasoned Macau punter too bro   What you pack in your mini excursions to Macau, and now DG, are more than most punters do in a few months

My 2cents according to extensive experience in Macau KTVs and Hong Kong HGs. I haven't been to Macau for nearly 2 years though and never been to a sauna.

I will try to sum up the advantages of Macau: They are all established legitimate businesses, so no B&S, no hidden charges and no police bust. All basic services are guaranteed, you can complain to the managers if not. No photoshopped barbie dolls, you can look at as many girls as you like and choose, even try the chemistry before finalizing your choice. Your risk is really a lot lower than walking into a hotel girl in HK. No more shady agents to deal with. You walk in there and you're treated like a customer as long as you have the money to pay. Yes the other disadvantage is the hefty fee.

Girls quality definitely higher then HG (at least up to 2 years ago). I'd seen numerous TV movie starlet and model quality girls in Macau KTVs. Of couse like anywhere else it depends on luck whether you can find someone truely YCOT.

OK, one word of warning: girls in Macau are generally more "professional". A lot of girls are going into the business for a longer run, especially in the bigger establishments. So they do take advantage of inexperience clients.

A good place to go for first timer is D1. It isn't a sauna, it is a bathhouse. It is the most straight forward - you walk in and all the girls are sitting there. You can sit down, take a drink and look as long as you like to choose. Some girls will try to seduce you with their eye contact. Then you make up your mind and will be taken to the room and the girl will go through with you the whole bathing and sex procedure. There are many nationalities for you to choose if that's your thing too.

Can comment on my experience:

For Sauna's, I have only ever been to D1, 18 and Rio.

D1
D1 is by far my favourite establishment. You get to spend more time with the girl (90 min if you purchase package in Shun Tak, vs 75 min walk in), and is close(r) to the ferry pier, right behind the casino near the pier.

Mixed bag of Thai, Viet, Chinese and a couple Russians. "Models" add an extra $500, they sit to the right side as you walk in.

The girls sit in against the walls and you sit on the couch opposite to view the selection. As you sit down on the couch, papa-san will give you an overview of the selection.  I always go for the one that stares back at you with a smile. Never fails. Had some repeats which were good, as the girls remember you and give you good service.

Basic routine is you pic the girl, she gives you a massage (I usually give the girl a massage), then hop into the bathtub where she washes you down real well from head to toe, body wash, gives you a BBBJ (depending on the girl), then onto the bed where she will give you fire and ice BJ, and then you do the deed.

Can go in there on your own no problem.

Prices start from HKD1,600 from Shun Tak and is inclusive of ferry tickets to and from Macau. Tipping the girl is not mandatory, and I usually tip them based on service provided.

The girls are a mixed bag. What I find is that the Thai and Vietnamese girls will give you an awesome massage, and also good service. The Chinese girls can be a hit and miss. There is one chinese girl from Dalian from memory who can speak english. She is usually at the door welcoming customers, wearing yellow shorts and white shirt (you will know what I mean). She is one of the prettiest and hottest Macau girl I've seen. Very slim body (almost zero body fat), good sized tits and about 5'6/7. She's really in demand, as I remember when I did her, the very next minute, she was chosen again by another punter.

18
For choice, 18 is the place to go imo. Girls to suit different people and needs. Tall, short, S&M, big tits, small tits, you name it, they got it.

Basically get undressed in the locker room and you hit the spa area. Girls to help wash you, sauna etc. You then walk into the main area where all the punters sit and relax. Food is available, along with massage options.

I remember my first night and a lineup of 80 girls, and my jaw dropped. There are some really pretty ones in the line up.

Very busy during weekends, and you are at the mercy of the show to some extent, but what a show! Won't spoil it for you. The girls do come out after the show and talk with punters sitting in the lounge. If you hit it off with one of them, then no need to wait for the show to begin before you choose.

Once you choose, you wait until a room is ready, and you have an hour to do the deed. If on a busy night, you may wait up to an hour before a room is ready....

You're lead to your room, the girl comes in, washes you down, gives you a body wash and also licks your whole body, and onto the bed for BJ and ML.

Once your deed is done, you can relax at the lounge area or go.

Prices start from HKD1,800 from Shun Tak and is inclusive of ferry tickets to and from Macau. Again models are HKD500 more, while S&M are about HKD 150 more from memory. Usually put a couple of hundred in my cig packet and if girl service is good, I tip.

Rio
Rio is pretty much the same as 18 (run by the same mob), but more upper class in terms of design. Though I have to say I will never go to Rio again. The quality of girls is there, but the lineups are pretty much 60-70% "models" and therefore pay HKD500 extra.

Prices start from HKD1,800 from Shun Tak and is inclusive of ferry tickets to and from Macau. you can get the HKD2,200 package and that includes one free massage service of your choice.

Recommend that you visit 18 and Rio with friends as it can get a bit lonely waiting for the show to start.

KTVs I been to are Rio and Deluxe. Both are run by the same establishment... nothing much to say in that you get the KTV room for 2 hours (Karaoke extra charge), lineups change and you can pick any girl mama-san brings, and if you click, tell mama-san not to take girl away otherwise you may never see her again. Once 2 hrs up, and you want to do the deed, you are lead or given a hotel room number, and basically have an hour or so to do the deed. Can be quite fun with the girls in the KTV room, get to know them better.

Definitely good with friends.

From memory tickets from Shun Tak start from HKD400 with return ferry tickets. This gives you the 2 hr session at the KTV, and if you want to do the deed, cost another HKD1,000 and up.

Macau is so close, yet far enough so that I don't spend my weekends there...

Barney: don't worry about all the talk about quality going downhill... As a newbie to Macau, that doesn't affect you in reality. Just go and a few times, try out a few different places and you'll know quick enough. Macau is like shooting fish in a barrel, and for an experienced monger like yourself, it can only mean a great time!

what do they do to take advantage of newbies?

Dont ask, no worries, just do it.......

thanks to all you bros for the useful info! hunter has left me with an appropriate last bit of advice...guess I'll just do it!

It ranges from sudden change of altitude once inside the bedroom (from a horny nymphomaniac to a mechanical robot), not performing all the required service (since you don't know what are required), asking for tips ("oh yes it's a must") to making you sink for her and contribute a larger part of your income to her property dream, etc

Do let us know of your Macau adventure. I was a bit nervous when friends took me over there the first time, but now feel very much at home...just the trip to Macau annoys me - an hour is too long for sex!!! :p